After nearly four decades at the Bar, an
illustrious career that has earned you a reputation as one of the
foremost Human Rights lawyers in Nigeria, and an expanding legal
practice covering the length and breadth of a full service law firm from
Arbitration to Maritime law. What is it that motivates you today and
how has that changed over the various periods of your career?
I am motivated by the quest to see
Nigeria attain democracy in the real sense. Nigeria at best can be said
to be illiberal or a semi autocratic country with institutions heavily
subverted. As you know, law plays a crucial role in deepening democracy.
I have a strong interest in helping our constitutional process.
Generally there is a legal failure in Nigeria and a sense of civil
disorder. I think I have a role to play in the resolution of these
challenges. I also get motivated to use the tools of development law for
economic development.
You have made it one of your goals to
speak up strongly against what you perceive to be injustices and
anomalies in national politics and in the application of the law in
Nigeria. What injustices and anomalies do you see as the challenges of
today’s democracy?
The big challenge confronting democracy
in Nigeria is the unwillingness of political leaders to grapple with the
many problems confronting Nigeria. With Nigeria, in low grade civil
war, from Boko Haram to Niger Delta Avengers, to pro Biafra agitation
and now the Bakassi Militancy, it ought to be clear that nothing short
of an honest solution by our political leaders, will resolve our
problems. Nigeria’s problem is quite simply the failure of our political
leaders to rebalance the Federation. The Federal Government exercises
98 items of power. 68 of these items are on the exclusive list in the
Constitution, while 33 are on the concurrent list. Only the Federal
Government can exercise powers on the exclusive list. The states can
only exercise powers on the concurrent list if the Federal Government is
not interested. This means that Nigeria is not a Federation but a
unitary state. The contradictions thrown up by this process is the
result of the chaos and contagion you see in Nigeria.
How should these injustices and anomalies be resolved in the interest of advancing our democracy?
There has been no lack of effort to
resolve the contradictions I have highlighted. We have had series of
constitutional conferences going back to General Babangida and ending
with President Jonathan. Many proposals to resolve these challenges were
agreed at constitutional conferences but the problem has been the lack
of political will to implement. My proposal, having served as a member
of the Jonathan Conference is for President Buhari to implement those
cornerstone agreements reached at that conference. I suggest President
Buhari sends an Executive Bill for an enactment to devolve certain
powers from the federal to state governments. I have produced a bill and
sent to the National Assembly which recognises sub national diversities
across the six-geo-political zones. Our democracy will be strongly
enhanced if, to use the political cliché common in Nigeria, the
federation is ‘restructured’.
Access to Justice is one of the hallmarks
of democracy and delays in the administration of justice hamper this.
In your opinion what short term solutions can be introduced to improve
access to Justice in Nigeria?
In my view, access to justice is a small
issue in the broader policy context of Administration of Justice.
Administration of Justice in Nigeria is in a very parlous state. There
are a number of structural challenges. First, is an over centralised
judicature. This is similar to the point made earlier about an over
centralised Federal Government. At the National Conference we, in the
legal and justice committee, agreed to ‘restructure’ the Judicature as
the third branch of government. Restructuring will mean devolving
judicial authority from the centre to the states. This in turn will
impact on the speed and access to justice. A related concern is how the
courts work. As a former member of the National Judicial Council, I say
that the operating models of the courts in Nigeria are outmoded. We need
to comprehensively review our rules of court, practice, protocols and
guidelines to achieve effective management of cases. The Judge should no
longer be a spectator allowing legal disputes to go in court completely
unmanaged. I look forward to the automation of court infrastructure,
capacity building for judges and wellbeing of judges. Let me add that
our courtroom infrastructure is so dilapidated that I expect the Chief
Justice of Nigeria to make a strong representation on this point. You
will obviously recall I went to court to seek a declaration concerning
the constitutional framework of funding the Judiciary. I am happy to say
that I won the case. The case freed the Judiciary from the shackles of
the Executive. But to my shock the Judiciary has done nothing to enforce
the judgment. I will like to make a slightly different point about the
Judiciary. We need to see a very good mix of appointments coming from
the Bar to the Bench as I feel it will improve its quality. Actually, I
was the first to apply to be appointed to the Supreme Court under Chief
Justice Uwais. Back then, it was seen as heresy. But today the National
Judicial Council has agreed in principle that SANs can be appointed. But
I sense that they would like us to start from the Court of Appeal. My
learned brother Tony Idigbe SAN, applied to the Supreme Court but missed
out on a role there. I hope one day to see one of us on the Supreme
Court bench. And many others at other levels of courts.
You are the founder of the Human Rights
Law Society (HURILAWS) the NGO with particular focus on influencing and
advancing Human Rights Law in Nigeria. Could you briefly evaluate the
state of human rights in Nigeria?
The state of human rights in Nigeria is far from satisfactory. That’s all I need to say on this.
What is your assessment of the Government’s fight against corruption? Do you think the Rule of Law is being strictly adhered to?
The Government has shown some muscle to
deal with endemic corruption in Nigeria. The rule of law has not been
adhered to in this process. But it seems Nigerians are not interested in
this. While I do not support bending the rule of law, I can understand
why Nigerians take this view. Corrupt practices in Nigeria beggar
belief, so no wonder the perception that popular justice is alright if
it gets at the thieves. But I think the Government can design a more
institutional process to combat corruption. This will mean major
institutional changes to the work of the EFCC, for example in developing
capacity. I have always felt the strong need to unbundle the EFCC into
two agencies; one dealing with investigation and the other with criminal
prosecution. This is the standard international best practice.
Recently, the Federal Government set up a
committee led by the Attorney General of the Federation to prosecute
high profile cases. Is there a legal basis for the committee? And does
it not amount to duplicity since we have the EFCC and ICPC?
This question has been partly answered by
the preceding question. I recommend that the Attorney General of the
Federation redesigns the legal and institutional framework for dealing
with corruption cases. As I said earlier, separate investigation and
prosecution. Agencies can and should be introduced. There is no reason
why the EFCC and ICPC cannot be merged so that there is a stronger
platform to prosecute crimes falling under their respective mandates.
The report of the Sovereign National
Conference, of which you were a prominent member, still has not been
published nor have any of its major findings been adopted by the Federal
Government. What parts of that Conference’s findings do you believe to
be of paramount importance and necessary for implementation?
I have touched on the conference report
in an earlier question and I would like to deal with what I think is the
best way to proceed. As you recall President Buhari has said that the
Jonathan Conference report will go to the archives. I think in Nigeria,
there is lot of emotion about the phrase “restructure”. “Restructure” is
a more commonly accepted term, in the south than in the North. I think
we can all agree, and this would ordinarily, include both President
Jonathan and President Buhari, that our country faces severe political
and economic problems. Proceeding from this, what President Buhari can
do is leave out the emotively charged term, ‘restructure” and simply
proceed to rebalance the Federation. Rebalancing the Federation involves
matters as simple as transferring power to issue a driver’s license
from the Federal to State governments. In my draft bill on devolution of
powers, I identified 36 items that can be transferred from the Federal
to the State and Local Governments. The President can initiate this
process without too much fanfare and without reference to divisive
issues.
The Nigerian Bar Association will in a
few days’ time elect its national officers. What is your advice to
Nigerian Lawyers on choosing the next NBA President, having held that
office before?
Merit must be the most crucial attribute to guide Nigerian lawyers in deciding the next NBA president.
Stakeholders in the Electoral Process
have raised concerns over the legal regime governing elections in
Nigeria. What are your comments on the adequacy of the legal regime
governing Elections in Nigeria?
The legal regime relating to the
electoral process is far from satisfactory. As you probably recall I was
a member of the Justice Uwais Electoral Committee and we made far
reaching recommendations. Some of the recommendations have been
implemented but others remain unimplemented. INEC needs to be unbundled
of the responsibilities for registration, regulation and supervision of
political parties. It is inconsistent with INEC’s work as a referee and
umpire. INEC may be accused, of partisanship if it disqualifies a
political party, even though all INEC is doing is exercising its
regulatory duty. When I was being strongly considered for INEC chair, I
took time to review how many parties complied with electoral regulations
and to my shock, very few did. This point remains true as most parties
always fail to comply with electoral laws and ought to have had their
registrations withdrawn. This is why the Uwais committee recommended the
Political Regulatory Agency and also the Electoral Offences Commission.
I look forward to the National Assembly enacting these commissions.
You have also observed in different fora
that the Nigerian Maritime Industry holds huge potential for the Federal
Government in its bid to diversify the source of Public Revenue if
properly harnessed. In your opinion, what should be the important
components of government’s maritime policy?
Nigeria is a coastal maritime nation. The
international practice is to have a Minister responsible for maritime
affairs in order to bring high level policy making to the industry. The
maritime industry is a huge cash cow and I do not believe that the
Director of Maritime Services, in the Ministry of Transport, is senior
enough to drive maritime policy. Government’s maritime policy should aim
to improve Nigeria’s status as a maritime hub. Nigeria accounts for at
least 80% of cargo throughput in the Central West Africa sub region.
Cargo throughput is the technical name for cargo coming to a destination
such as Nigeria. This should give you a sense of how big we are in the
maritime sector. I will also like to see Nigeria attain the status of a
Maritime International Centre, like Singapore and Dubai. We have
absolutely no Nigerian vessels trading in our coastal waters neither do
we have ocean going vessels. Revenue receipts in the maritime sector is
estimated at 7 trillion in a year. But we need a coherent maritime
policy to bring this all in.
In more recent times it has become a
criticism of the Nigerian Justice System that ‘Capital Punishment’ is
still being used. What are your views on Nigeria’s application of the
Death Penalty?
Recall, I was the first to take 2 cases
to the Supreme Court on the constitutionality of the death penalty but
unfortunately lost both. I have very strong views on the
constitutionality of the death penalty because quantitative and
anecdotal evidence suggests the death penalty does not deter crime. If
it does not deter crime, I do not see the point keeping it on our
statute books. Most scholars agree that not only is the death penalty
cruel and unusual punishment, it is also degrading and inhuman
treatment. The global trend now is to abolish it. Nigeria has in place
an unofficial moratorium. I look forward to its official abolition.
What is your view about the recent change
of corporate leadership at one of Nigeria’s leading banks by the CBN
and what legal implications do you see in the context of a challenging
economic environment?
This is a good question. The answer has
policy and also legal implications. As a matter of policy I have always
thought the CBN does far too much work. The international best practice
is that the CBN deal with financial stabilisation of the economy and
monetary policy. Monetary policy includes exchange rates, interest rates
and lending rates. In addition to monetary policy, the CBN is saddled
with the legal framework of supervising banking risk and ethical
behaviour of Banks. This is far too much for the CBN. I was appointed
chair of the legal implementation committee of the CBN in respect of
reforms of the financial services sector. I strongly recommended the
unbundling of the CBN into three institutions; the first, to deal with
financial stabilisation of the economy and monetary policy. This is the
main function of the CBN. I also recommended removing risk supervision
and management from the CBN and passing it to a new Prudential
Regulatory Authority. The sole function of this authority is risk
management. Risk is at present managed by the Directorate of Banking
Supervision. I feel there is not enough capacity in the CBN to manage
banking risk. This point is important in the context of the last banking
crisis and the looming risk crisis in banks. Banks are carrying a very
heavy debt portfolio, technically referred to as non- performing loans.
The reason I suggest a third institution out of the unbundled CBN is the
extremely unethical behavior in the banking industry. I am not aware
that the CBN has a strong mechanism for dealing with ethical issues. The
solution is to create a Financial Conduct Authority. The legal
framework to create these institutions needs to be put in place
immediately, so banks will be compelled to focus on their primary
business of lending. Nigeria will be the better for it.
As a pioneer of Development law in Nigeria how can this concept promote political and economic development?
Development law deals with the
application of rules regulations, guidelines and laws to the social and
political life of a nation. It is obvious that Nigeria is going through a
difficult period. Concepts of development law help to create national
order in the shape of legal pillars of a viable people’s constitution.
Again Development law, been about rules and precepts, creates the
necessary framework for the rule of law to thrive. Development law
allows for the growth of strong national institutions that cannot be
subverted by strong political personalities. Development law generates
wealth. For example, the concept of a viable legal framework for the
mortgage market. Our mortgage market does not work. The result is that
Nigeria’s Seven Trillion Naira housing stock is dead capital. Property
has two values, the physical value as represented by the physic
building, and more important, the conceptual legal value, represented by
legal title to the building. The mortgage market has not worked in
Nigeria because the law relating to mortgages is weak. But development
law can point in the direction of the proper answers to “wake” dead
capital in our housing market. Many examples exist about legal failure
in many sectors of our economy and how development law can resolve the
problem. I am always amazed at how government’s Economic Management team
excludes lawyers. Lawyers can offer a great deal using the device of
Development Law. I feel this is something that should be corrected. I
hope someone is listening.
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